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Blair Gate - The New Rankings rounds 10, 11 and 12

For those of you that have been MIA this last week, we just updated the site with some corn-fed farm fresh player rankings (never frozen!) ...

http://kfba.net/cs/blogs/broham/archive/2009/08/13/new-rankings-reviewing-the-top-5-rounds.aspx

The basics (again):

"...new player valuations are based on the indefetigable work of 8 veteran Kentucky Fried GMs (myself included).   Drafting in a predetermined (snaked) order we would each select the best availalbe player (in our personal opinion) regardless of position...  "

and...

"...selection order was was designed to optimize the various waking hours for participants across various timezones.  It was as follows: ZZRay, DLBass, Doug, Colonel, BRoham, Schottsie, Ciwasko, Younggod....."

And since then I've been making fun of their efforts.  Today we'll tackle rounds 10, 11 and 12....

At this point things get dicey - the 1st pick of the 10th round is the 145th player selected and as in any fantasy NBA game, all the good players are long gone.   Subjectivity is high and, as it is responsible for laying down the default rankings, dangerous.  I continue to contend that KF GMs tend to place WAAAAAAAY to mugh weight on the rankings defaults...  Always good to remember our brains are just fried as anyone else, we just mocked the draft that counted.

So far whats its worth...

Round 10

Round NewRank FirstName LastName NBATeamCity NBATeamMascot KFAvgYTD Old Rank Drafter
10 145 Mike Miller Washington Wizards 0.688 141 ZZRay
10 146 Ronnie Brewer Utah Jazz 0.685 133 DLBass
10 147 Travis Outlaw Portland Trail Blazers 0.700 147 Doug
10 148 Hasheem Thabeet Memphis Grizzlies 0.000 Colonel
10 149 Francisco Garcia Sacramento Kings 0.690 164 Broham
10 150 Tyler Hansbrough Indiana Pacers 0.000 Schottsie
10 151 Nenad Krstic Oklahoma City Thunder 0.714 237 Ciwasko
10 152 Mike Conley Memphis Grizzlies 0.656 142 YoungGod
10 153 Danilo Gallinari New York Knickerbockers 0.648 339 YoungGod
10 154 Ronny Turiaf Golden State Warriors 0.723 179 Ciwasko
10 155 Ray Allen Boston Celtics 0.708 123 Schottsie
10 156 Samuel Dalembert Philadelphia 76ers 0.710 153 Broham
10 157 DeAndre Jordan Los Angeles Clippers 0.730 274 Colonel
10 158 Yi Jianlian New Jersey Nets 0.701 207 Doug
10 159 Kendrick Perkins Boston Celtics 0.693 145 DLBass
10 160 Shelden Williams Minnesota Timberwolves 0.794 309 ZZRay

Worst pick:  The rookie hating colonel jumps head first into the crazy pool with the selection of Hasheem Thabeet.   Yes he was the 2nd overall pick in the draft. So were Marvin Williams, Darko Milicic, Tyson Chandler and Keith Van Horn (and who wants any part of that?)  Here's an 'upside" player touted for his "defensive skills" suiting up for this year's vegas fave to become the biggest circus touring the NBA. (Which incidentally is an award Z-Bo squads have picked up three years running even though he's switched teams every off-season - quite the feat).  And that's without signing Iverson.

A quick look into Thabeet's sterling summer league numbers this summer:

PLAYER NAME GP KF Avg MPG PTS RPG APG SPG BPG FG%
Hasheem Thabeet 5 0.568 25 8.2 4.6 0.4 0.2 0.8 45%

And David Thorpe's backhanded compiments: "This much is certain: The Grizzlies knew they were getting a project when they drafted him. And although his attitude seemed positive and his demeanor on the court was professional, his effort level never came close to what it will take for him to have success in the NBA. His lack of strength, balance or scoring skills is not the issue. Give him that same set of weaknesses, but replace his passion for the games with Blake Griffin's, and Memphis would have a center who would be the envy of the entire league."

So if you're into seven footers with "tremendous upside" and "blockshotability" i suggest passing on Thabeet this early and picking up Ian Mahinmi or Saer Sene in the 14th round instead.  (Also expected to be available at the tail end of your dratt: Johan Petro, Robert Swift, Patrick Obryant, Darko Milicic and yes!, Tyson Chandler).

Another terrible pick:  Shelden Williams has been a perennial Broham super sleeper over the years and I'm here to tell you the jury is IN and dude just sucks.   He got beat out by Zaur Pachulia and a then rookie Josh Smith back in the ATL.  A little later he got schooled by a rookie Al Horford (even though Shelden had a couple of seasons of NBA experience up on him). Then he got shipped to Sacramento where he got beat out by Jason Thompson (yeah, another rookie), sophomore Steve Hawes and the artist formerly known as Mikki Moore.  Brad Miller was injured for weeks and dude could not break into the rotation.  Now he's playing in Boston behind Garnett, and Rasheed Wallace and Kendrik Perkins and Glen Davis and he's going to get on the court how exactly?   Doing the Tonya Harding to the knee?

Other questionable picks: Tyler Hansborough was drafted sans controversy, but it seemed to me there will still rookies with more talent on the board.   Yes I'm betting he'll probalby be a rotation guy in the NBA, but what kind of numbers is he going to put up realistically?  In his rookie season?  I actually like DeAndre Jordan (as a super sleeper not in the 10th round!) but i think minutes are going to be very hard to come by in the LAC.  I see him as the 3rd big man off the bench, playing behind Griffin, Camby, Kaman and Craig Smith though not everyone agrees.

Best Pick:  This was an awful, awful round.  But I think that Mike Miller has some bounce-back-ability coming off a subpar year on the team the NBA (and its fans) forgot.  I like that the Wizards have assembled a collection of taleted vets playing for pride.  Maybe there won't be enough ball to go round, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a motivated Miller (who's been stuck in NBA purgatory for most of his NBA career) regain mid-700s form.  And with Flip Saunders at the helm this might be one of those teams that gives up 112 ppg but scores a 110 (and produces a disproportionate number of KF impact players).

 Mike Miller's numbers (yeah he's been pretty good):

SeasonTeamGmsFG%FT%3P%Mins/GPts/GAssts/GRbds/GStls/GBlks/GKFAvg
2002-03 ORL 49 37.3 16.4 2.8 5.8 0.7 0.3 0.703
2002-03 MEM 16 22.5 12.8 1.9 3.4 0.4 0.3 0.839
2003-04 MEM 65 27.2 11.1 3.6 3.3 0.9 0.2 0.703
2004-05 MEM 76 51% 72% 43% 30.0 13.4 2.9 3.9 0.7 0.3 0.711
2005-06 MEM 73 47% 80% 41% 30.5 13.9 2.7 5.4 0.7 0.4 0.759
2006-07 MEM 70 46% 79% 41% 38.6 18.5 4.3 5.4 0.8 0.3 0.755
2007-08 MEM 70 50% 77% 43% 34.9 16.4 3.4 6.7 0.5 0.2 0.781
2008-09 MIN 73 48% 73% 38% 31.7 9.9 4.5 6.6 0.4 0.4 0.688

 

Round 11

Round NewRank FirstName LastName NBATeamCity NBATeamMascot KFAvgYTD Old Rank Drafter
11 161 Rashad McCants Sacramento Kings 0.743 235 ZZRay
11 162 Nick Young Washington Wizards 0.666 180 DLBass
11 163 Rudy Fernandez Portland Trail Blazers 0.648 169 Doug
11 164 Zaur Pachulia Atlanta Hawks 0.723 195 Colonel
11 165 JJ Hickson Cleveland Cavaliers 0.680 293 Broham
11 166 Mario Chalmers Miami Heat 0.626 140 Schottsie
11 167 Joe Alexander Milwaukee Bucks 0.702 291 Ciwasko
11 168 Marvin Williams Atlanta Hawks 0.682 154 YoungGod
11 169 Jarrett Jack Indiana Pacers 0.671 128 YoungGod
11 170 Kirk Hinrich Chicago Bulls 0.692 218 Ciwasko
11 171 DeJuan Blair San Antonio Spurs 0.000 Schottsie
11 172 Kyle Lowry Orlando Magic 0.689 189 Broham
11 173 Radoslav Nesterovic Indiana Pacers 0.754 222 Colonel
11 174 Sergio Rodriguez Portland Trail Blazers 0.698 231 Doug
11 175 Ryan Anderson Orlando Magic 0.713 216 DLBass
11 176 Brandon Jennings Milwaukee Bucks 0.000 ZZRay

Blair Gate:

And here's when it happened.  Schottsie upset the entire balance of the draft universe - the dreaded "draftverse collapse"! - by selecting the man with no ACLs: NBA draft pariah and Spurs 2nd round steal, DeJuan Blair.

The play by play:

Schottsie - "Dejuan blair"

Doug - "Hey, I don't think it makes sense from a rankings standpoint to put DeJuan Blair ahead of at least some of the guys who were drafted way ahead of him.  I mean, I can certainly see someone wanting to take Blair here, but should he be ranked ahead of Earl Clark, Ty Lawson, Jordan Hill, Jeff Teague -- guys who have similar fantasy potential and were taken in the lottery or the mid-first round? "

Broham - "I think Blair is a better pick KF wise at this point than the other 1st rounders…  You could argue that he doesn’t have the upside of Ricky Rubio or Demar Derozan… but he’s by far the likeliest to post 20 minutes with an .800 avg of everyone left on the board (in my opinion)…"

Doug - "Blair's also the likeliest to blow his knees out, not make it through training camp and not play a single minute in the NBA.  He doesn't have ACLs!  As I said, there are plenty of good reasons to take him here.  I just don't think it makes sense to rank a second rounder above first rounders with comparable talent and some NBA readiness.  I'm not saying we have to rank rookies according to their draft positions -- Rubio should, imo, be lower than Blair ubless we find out he's for sure playing in the NBA this year.  But guys like Lawson and Clark are gonna play roles with their teams, and they were taken twenty to thirty spots ahead of Blair." 

Broham - "Lest we forget… Blair was a rebounding beast in College…He only dropped to the 2nd round because of the ACLs…  So I suppose the question is whether he can last a full season…

Season Averages

SEASON

MIN

PTS

REB

AST

TO

A/T

STL

BLK

PF

FG%

FT%

3P%

PPS

2007-2008

26.0

11.6

9.1

.9

1.9

.49

1.7

1.1

2.9

.537

.624

.000

1.37

2008-2009

27.3

15.7

12.3

1.2

1.3

.95

1.5

1.0

2.7

.593

.605

.000

1.

From NBADraft.Net

NBA Comparison: Paul Millsap/Anthony Mason

Strengths: Powerful post player with tremendous rebounding ability … Uses his wide base, long arms and soft hands to inhale every rebound in his area … Has a true NBA skill, rebounding … Particularly dangerous on the offensive glass (averaged an astounding 5.6 offensive boards per game in his sophomore year) … Big personality. Plays the game with great love and passion. Appears to really have fun playing the game, almost always has a big grin on his face … An intimidating post presence, despite not possessing great leaping ability … Enjoys physical contact and understands how to position himself for rebounds … An excellent passer for a post player. Difficult to double team, has a strong court sense with excellent vision and passing skills … An efficient offensive player … Has a tremendous pair of mits, allowing him to grab boards and gather in post passes with ease ... Post skills are strong. He understands how to create space against shot blockers by leaning into them (as he showed matching up with Hasheem Thabeet) … One of those type of players who seems to have better touch around the basket with contact … Converts a lot of And 1s … Extremely A natural leader and strong competitor who wills his team to wins and consistently comes through in the clutch … A solid set of post moves. Very comfortable playing in the paint and using fakes to get defenders off balance and off their feet ... An underrated athlete.

Colonel - "When was Millsap drafted his rookie season?  Anyway, I definitely think we should drop Blair a little…  If this were a draft, and this was the spot that Schottsie took him – then our default draft ranking should have him dropped down one round or so…  I’m sure there will be a few people in every League who peg him as someone they want, and have to decide at what pick to take him – so that nobody else beats them to the prize…  But don’t make him out to be a sure thing prospect…"

Broham - "Hater! Certainly a not a sure thing prospect on par with the great Nesterovic!!!!"

Colonel - "We’re not drafting prospects…  We’re drafting certainty – for our default draft list!  If someone let their team be auto-drafted, they should expect mediocracy!"

Broham - "summer League numbers for what its worth:

PLAYER NAME GP KF Avg MPG PTS RPG APG SPG BPG FG%
DeJuan Blair 3 1.040 25 16.3 8.7 0 0.7 0.3 53%

I guess he’s the new Sean May.   When Sean May was new though, he went much higher than this…(and was not as controversial!)… but he burned many a fantasy GM….I’m a huge Ty Lawson fan btw… I think he will be a great NBA player in a.690 sort of way… and while in Denver he’s only going to play 10 minutes a game…"

Colonel: "FYI – Milsap (after leading the NCAA in rebounding for three straight years) was drafted with the 2nd pick of the 15th round his rookie season…  (Behind Kevin Martin…) Sure, we missed the boat – but he was a 2nd round draft pick!  I see Blair projected in the 13th round…  And let someone take him in the 10th, 11th or 12th if they want to…"

 

And that my friends was that.   Blair's draft position was never updated. (So all yee unsuspecting haters and naysayers beware!  He might sneak up on your team sight unseen at Draft and 171st!  And destroy it!  Slowly and from the inside!)

But there were two important lessons to be had: Blair has no ACLs and if you let your team autodraft you should expect mediocracy.

 

Free Agent Alert:  McCants' .749 is certainly high enough to warrant an 11th round ranking, but as of yet no team has added him to their roster.   And as the old saying goes "No team, no minutes, no KF points."  Caveat emptor.

 

Round 12

12 177 Ty Lawson Minnesota Timberwolves 0.000 ZZRay
12 178 Jerryd Bayless Portland Trail Blazers 0.618 312 DLBass
12 179 Earl Clark Phoenix Suns 0.000 Doug
12 180 Jordan Hill New York Knickerbockers 0.000 Colonel
12 181 Kenyon Martin Denver Nuggets 0.705 150 Broham
12 182 Rafer Alston New Jersey Nets 0.684 139 Schottsie
12 183 Darrell Arthur Memphis Grizzlies 0.645 221 Ciwasko
12 184 Anthony Morrow Golden State Warriors 0.678 201 YoungGod
12 185 Grant Hill Phoenix Suns 0.715 136 YoungGod
12 186 Jordan Farmar Los Angeles Lakers 0.649 240 Ciwasko
12 187 Ryan Gomes Minnesota Timberwolves 0.663 137 Schottsie
12 188 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute Milwaukee Bucks 0.627 166 Broham
12 189 Matt Barnes Phoenix Suns 0.732 148 Colonel
12 190 Jeff Teague Atlanta Hawks 0.000 Doug
12 191 George Hill San Antonio Spurs 0.650 234 DLBass
12 192 DeMar DeRozan Toronto Raptors 0.000 ZZRay

Best Picks:  While the rookies dominated a round that was all about "upside potential", I think Ciwasko stole the show with his dual .640 picks - Jordan Farmar and Darrell Arthur.  Posting a .640 average is heresy here at the KFBA, where players are promptly delegated to the dustbin in favor of the devil rookies we don't know.  But Jordan Farmar and Darrell Arthur remain talented NBA prospects in spite of last years middling averages and either could break through next season (or at least break through enough to be worth a 10th round pick up next season) and both are young enough that the slightest uptick in numbers will be considered a positive trend.  Remember that player averages still owe much to their various roles.  Every season is different.  Every summer there are new tricks to be had.  Every fall there is new confidence to be gained.  And every winter there are roster altering trades.   Don't hate on the .640 players, hate on their coaches and ball-hogging teammates.

Rookies: In regular drafts the rookie pot usually gets raided much earlier.  If you can get a decent risk/reward guy like DeMar DeRozan, or potential NBA readies like Ty Lawson, Jeff Teague and Jordan Hill this deep, its well worth the gamble.  In fact - i hereby declare any lottery pick remaining in your draft to be a decent gamble in the 12th, 13th or 14th rounds.

Sophomores:  GMs tend to sleep on the 2nd year players that don't sport the gaudy averages, but many a Kentucky Fried star blossomed from humble beginnings.    Of this year's projected 1st round selections: Dirk Nowitzki posted a .678 his rookie season.  Danny Granger walked away with a .681, Deron Williams finished with a .658 and Tony Parker boasted a measly .588.  Now there have been 100s of other rookies with crappy averages during that time span that never developed into anything worth owning in Kentucky Fried leagues... but miracles do happen.

 

What say you Kentucky Fried peoples?


 


Posted 08-18-2009 8:04 PM by broham