I just wanted to say good luck to everyone left in the playoffs. This is my 3rd year and probably the first I really really kept up on it every week and really enjoyed myself. It makes it easy when you have Lebron but it was a fun ride.
This is going to come off as sour grapes and I really don't want it to but we really need to look at our trade guidelines. The fact that someone could get Kobe right before the trade dead for Rodney Stuckey is ridiculous. I know one of the original league owners brought up the same thing last year and I do like alot of trades becuase it is hard to do any decent free agent moves but this is an obvious player dump. You can have Stuckey as a nice late round sleeper but for a 10-4 player to be allowed to pick up Kobe from a 5-9 team for nothing is crazy.
We really need to look at this in the offseason.
Well, "to be able to pick up Kobe for nothing" IS crazy. But Stuckey, with reasonable keeper rights, is far from nothing. KFBA, like real teams, is a long term project. My B league team is a powerhouse this year because we traded for great rights Josh Smith (8) and Ford (10) in earlier years, or something close to that, I get the leagues mixed up at times. That and because we accumulated some good, tradeable keepers.
If someone got, say Stuckey (12) for Kobe, a year from now there's a great chance that Stuckey (10) will bring them Kobe back, or something. That might be the piece that puts them over the line. Or, in a couple years, Stuckey himself might be a star.Last year, if I recall right, I traded Baron Davis for Deron Williams (6) n the OR. That has paid off nicely this year, and it will make my team a decent competitor next year. Probably, he'll be around the following year as well.
Four years ago, the Pistons got Rasheed Wallace for basically nothing (a damaged Bobby Sura, I believe).
Twenty years ago, the Detroit Tigers got a guy named Doyle Alexander for a minor Leaguer. Alexander went 9-0 in two months and put them in the playoffs for the last time in a 20 year period.
The minor league "nobody" they gave up?
John Smoltz.
And just to remind everyone - there is a process in place to deal with unfair trades...
When you see an unfair trade go down, post it on your boards immediately... Drum up support among the owners in your League to overturn the trade... If you get 8 votes to overturn, I'll have no choice but to overturn the trade... If you get lots of votes, and I think the trade is unfair - I'll still overturn the trdae...
Basically, you need to do something quickly if you want to stop a trade from being consumated... I know it requires vigilance and an active League, but that's what it is right now... We'll certainly continue talking about options in the offseasons, but we've been through it all already and can't formalize a set of rules to automate trade validity checking...
Because I intend to be around a long time, I'm usually more concerned about "keepers for stars" trades from the point of view of piling up great keepers than someone having a passing great year.
Broham's Bynum (5) / Boozer (4) combo is much more of a threat to balance than if he had traded them for Duncan and LeBron this year.
And why does he have them? Good trades and draft pics in previous years. To me, rewarding that, and the related gambles, is what makes it fun.
I just realized that that was my trade.
I think I said I get the leagues mixed up some times. :)
I've been replying to this from email notifications and the "active" list. Didn't even realize what league it was. Oh, well.
Yeah, but even in the star-for-keeper context, there are a lot of bullshit trades that happen. Last year's Matt Carroll and Jarrett Jack for Shaq and Manu, for example. Rodney Stuckey is a third-tier keeper, and the reason you can get Kobe for him is that, in most leagues, there are a lot of inactive owners who aren't making offers that would benefit their teams. That makes for an inefficient market where Stuckey is the best thing one can get for a top-three star. The inactive owner problems is also why the current remedy for lopsided trades is insufficient. A lot of people aren't paying attention to what happens. To keep things fair, I think we need to constrain these trades somehow.