Keepers for draft pics

Broham's comment on Kevin Martin (13) for 4-1, made me think (again) about the question of trading high draft picks for keepers.

I'm going to list a few keepers.  Hopefully, we can get some thoughts on what a fair trade would be.  For simplicity, I'd say one pic, straight up, for the keeper.  Thoughts on the impact of different keeper rounds (beyond the obvious) would be cool too.  I'm also going to look for some trades that actually happened.

Obvious place to start
K Martin (13)
Millsap (13)
Calderon (13)
Barnes (13)
C. Smith (13)
Marcus Williams (10)
Ford (10), (8)
Mo Williams (10)
D. Williams (9)
Barbosa (9)
G. Wallace (8)
West (8)
Thomas (7)
Lee (7)
Josh Smith (6)

None of these is necessarily to praise or criticize either party to a trade (although I might).  It's just research.

Northampton Nittany Nerds

Draft Picks Overall Pick # 27 (Round 2, Pick 11)

Oscar Robertson and the Crispus Attucks Tigers

Keepers Pos Josh Howard (6) F Draft Picks Overall Pick # 96 (Round 6, Pick 16)

Status: Accepted (8/30/2007)

Created 8/30/2007 Northampton Nittany Nerds

Proposed 8/30/2007 Northampton Nittany Nerds

Accepted 8/30/2007 Oscar Robertson and the Crispus Attucks Tigers
	OK

Not quite as straightforward, but data.

Wick Eagles Draft Picks Overall Pick # 26 (Round 2, Pick 10) Overall Pick # 53 (Round 4, Pick 5) Brooklyn Brewers Keepers Pos Deron Williams (6) G Draft Picks Overall Pick # 37 (Round 3, Pick 5) Overall Pick # 93 (Round 6, Pick 13)

Status: Accepted (7/24/2007) Created 7/17/2007 Wick Eagles Proposed 7/17/2007 Wick Eagles Accepted 7/24/2007 Brooklyn Brewers let's do it! you drafted this guy in the 6th round two seasons ago so now it's come full circle.

Caithness Eagles Draft Picks Overall Pick # 18 (Round 2, Pick 2) Toronto Velociraptors Keepers Pos TJ Ford (10) G Draft Picks Overall Pick # 151 (Round 10, Pick 7)

Status: Accepted (8/28/2007) Created 8/27/2007 Caithness Eagles Proposed 8/27/2007 Caithness Eagles Accepted 8/28/2007 Toronto Velociraptors This may doom me for next year, and he is one of my faves, but I can't turn down the 18th overall - I'll take it...thanks

Jackie Robinson and the Los Angeles Red Devils

Draft Picks Overall Pick # 52 (Round 4, Pick 4)

Siesta Key Buckeyes

Keepers Pos Maurice Williams (10) G Draft Picks Overall Pick # 146 (Round 10, Pick 2)

Status: Accepted (8/8/2007)

Created 8/7/2007 Jackie Robinson and the Los Angeles Red Devils

Proposed 8/7/2007 Jackie Robinson and the Los Angeles Red Devils

Accepted 8/8/2007
Siesta Key Buckeyes

This one's tricky, because the 5th rounder adds value for the team getting Biedrins.  So he wasn't actually traded for pick 33.

Connie Hawkins at Holcombe Rucker Park

Keepers Pos Andris Biedrins (9) F Draft Picks Overall Pick # 69 (Round 5, Pick 5)

Kentucky Colonels

Draft Picks Overall Pick # 33 (Round 3, Pick 1)

Status: Accepted (8/24/2007)

Created 8/23/2007 Connie Hawkins at Holcombe Rucker Park

Proposed 8/23/2007 Connie Hawkins at Holcombe Rucker Park
	How about my 5th rounder and the rights to Biedrins?

Accepted 8/24/2007
Kentucky Colonels

John o Groats Eagles

Draft Picks Overall Pick # 48 (Round 3, Pick 16)

Ohio Buckeyes

Keepers Pos Gerald Wallace (8) G Draft Picks Overall Pick # 125 (Round 8, Pick 13)

Status: Accepted (8/1/2007)

Created 7/28/2007 John o Groats Eagles

Proposed 7/28/2007 John o Groats Eagles

Accepted 8/1/2007
Ohio Buckeyes

This is also an interesting deal. 

Tennessee Home Guard

Draft Picks Overall Pick # 139 (Round 9, Pick 11)

Cyclomatic Complexity

Draft Picks 15th Rounder (CC)

Status: Accepted (8/31/2007)

Created 8/31/2007 Tennessee Home Guard

Proposed 8/31/2007 Tennessee Home Guard

Accepted 8/31/2007
Cyclomatic Complexity

Again, this one's complicated by the fact that I got pick 64 in the package.  So I didn't actually trade #29 for Barbosa.

Glasgow Eagles

Draft Picks Overall Pick # 29 (Round 2, Pick 13) Overall Pick # 120 (Round 8, Pick 8) Overall Pick # 149 (Round 10, Pick 5)

Occam`s Razor

Keepers Pos Leandrinho Barbosa (9) G Draft Picks Overall Pick # 64 (Round 4, Pick 16) Overall Pick # 130 (Round 9, Pick 2) Overall Pick # 154 (Round 10, Pick 10)

Status: Accepted (8/16/2007)

Created 8/16/2007 Glasgow Eagles

Proposed 8/16/2007 Glasgow Eagles

Accepted 8/16/2007 Occam`s Razor

All I can tell you is that in the OR I had no keepers and bad draft position from my win last year.  When I look at Ciwasko and Broham, I think the chances of me winning the league are slim.  I was essentially making some early offers of stars for keeperts....none of which were accepted.  I offered the following:

16th pick for Josh Smith (6)
3(16) for Martin (13) and Millsap (13)

There were some others.  Honestly I would not have taken the Smith trade if I were Ciwasko.  Smith has potential to be a 1st rounder by the end of this year.  I would have taken the Martin trade however if I was Broham.  I think KMart will probably not end up being a starting guard come play-off time and he could have upgraded with the trade.  Lot of potential to give up.

Generally speaking offering a draft pick a round above where the keeper should go for the keeper is reasonable.

Ultimately everything is subjective and I would only dub trades unfair if there was a clear lack of understanding concerning rules/value on one of the parties part.

Well, I basically offered 57 for Barbosa (9) and he countered with 33 for him.  Neither went through.